I am interested in starting a dialog with users of testostrone gels. It seems that TRT is not an exact science. IN some guys it works really well for about three months and then everything goes back to the same levels as before, while still using testostrone replacement gel. I have read on the internet where some guys are using 3 packet or tubes of gel. All of the long term studies were paid for by the folks who make androgel and testim. So there is very little real feedback from users not associated with the companies. These scientific studies need to be a little more objective with those of us using and paying these high prices for these gels. By the way there is a generic company in Minn. named Paddock Ind, that has tentative approval for testostrone gel, I don't know if this is going to be any cheaper or not. I guess I have gotten off the subject a little. MY real concern is the results those of using this gel are getting. IS THERE ANYONE OUT THERE?